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听CHORD Hugo2 Qutest四种“滤波”

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发表于 2018-5-1 17:30 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式 来自 中国
很有意思。
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发表于 2018-5-1 21:17 | 只看该作者 来自 北京
纯音质的话推荐HUGO2 还是QUTEST+放
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发表于 2018-5-1 21:17 | 只看该作者 来自 北京
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发表于 2018-5-2 01:11 | 只看该作者 来自 北京朝阳
HUGO2+放+int204介面
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发表于 2018-5-2 01:14 | 只看该作者 来自 广东深圳
最少两万多块了,可以有更多选择了,
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发表于 2018-5-2 01:20 | 只看该作者 来自 北京朝阳
清风music 发表于 2018-5-2 01:14
最少两万多块了,可以有更多选择了,

10万多的系统是这样建起来的,再升级就是把解码换了。
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发表于 2018-5-2 09:50 | 只看该作者 来自 上海松江区
种草hugo2,就是同轴口折腾起来有点麻烦
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发表于 2018-5-2 10:16 来自手机 | 只看该作者 来自 北京
等着2go就可以省个转盘+界面+连接线了,就是放了半天卫星干嘛还不出
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-5-2 23:03 | 只看该作者 来自 山东青岛
我发现很少有人谈这个,这个其实很有意思。
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-5-3 13:19 | 只看该作者 来自 山东青岛
headfi上Rob的原文:

So here I am talking about the WTA filter, and I have assumed that the reader is aware of the WTA filter and why the recovery of timing of transients is important - so I assume you know already that more taps gives better accuracy, and much better sound, and that moving from 8 FS (output at 352/384 kHz) to 16 FS (output at 705/768 kHz) is seen as a benefit in SQ due to the improved time resolution of the output.

The FPGA is jam packed - I use all of the available DSP cores, all of the memory, and 99.8% of the logic too. The downside to all this is now the FPGA uses a lot of power, around 800 mW.

The output from the WTA 1 is now passed to another WTA filter (WTA 2) that takes us from 16 FS to 256 FS (output at 11.289.6/12.288 MHz) so now the WTA is working to a resolution of 88 nS.

The filter option is actually a big departure for me - I go for what is technically correct (assuming it sounds best), and don't give options. Now the HF filter is a technically correct option - as using the HF filter with HD files can reduce HF noise from the recording, which is not music but noise shaper ADC distortion and noise - if this gets into the analogue parts it can cause more noise floor modulation, so removing it will make it sound smoother. So having the HF filter is a technically valid option. But the 256 FS filter is always the more accurate option, and will recover the timing much more accurately than not using it. So why did I add this as an option?

Several reasons. I thought it would be cool for people to actually hear the effect of the WTA going from 16 FS to 256 FS. Normally, I do lots of listening tests, and so build up knowledge to allow better designs and future improvements, so I thought it would be good for one to hear the effects of 16 FS to 256 FS. What you hear is an immediate change in the ability to perceive the starting and stopping of notes. This quality is very different to the usual WTA benefits (better timbre, pitch, instrument separation and focus etc) in that being able to perceive the starting edge of a signal (the initial pluck of a string or how the piano sounds when instantly hitting the key) all depends upon timing accuracy going from uS down to tens of nS  - so I thought it would be interesting to actually hear what I am talking about directly. Now this filter will be called the incisive option, as calling it Hugo is a bit confusing. Its incisive because you can now perceive the starting and stopping of notes much more clearly - and when the brain can't perceive the leading edges, then it becomes a blur and things sound soft.

The second reason for the filter options is that the incisive revealing nature of the filter does make it sound brighter. Now it is absolutely technically more accurate; it only sounds brighter because the brain can now more accurately perceive the starting and stopping of notes, and the starting and stopping transients have a lot of high frequency energy. When the brain can't perceive something, it simply ignores it, so it then sounds unnaturally soft, in that this is not truly transparent. But sometimes when you have say a bad bright recording, or say hard headphones, having a filter that allows you to hear high frequency energy may be a bit too much. But for sure you are using an aberration to hide another problem. So my advice is this; if you use the 16FS option (orange or red) all the time, then consider getting a warmer set of headphones, or trying out EQ. Normally you should be using white or green - I run with green all the time as its useful with 192 recordings
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发表于 2018-5-3 14:39 | 只看该作者 来自 广东深圳
听不出有啥区别,还用继续发烧么
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发表于 2018-5-3 14:43 | 只看该作者 来自 广东惠州
听不太出来
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-5-3 14:47 | 只看该作者 来自 山东青岛
脑残为王年代 发表于 2018-5-3 14:39
听不出有啥区别,还用继续发烧么

仔细听可以区别的,比过飞利浦金耳朵测试容易。
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发表于 2018-5-3 14:48 | 只看该作者 来自 广东深圳
gebegebe 发表于 2018-5-3 14:47
仔细听可以区别的,比过飞利浦金耳朵测试容易。

那我再对比下看看。

倒是那几个声场往前推的很明显
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-5-4 08:16 | 只看该作者 来自 中国
做这四个球的盲听非常方便
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发表于 2018-5-4 08:46 | 只看该作者 来自 上海
楼主归纳下有什么区别吗?
我倒没仔细对比,一直用桔红
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-5-4 08:47 | 只看该作者 来自 山东青岛
本帖最后由 gebegebe 于 2018-5-4 08:54 编辑
bbearlu 发表于 2018-5-4 08:46
楼主归纳下有什么区别吗?
我倒没仔细对比,一直用桔红

我说了,会造成先入为主的印象,反而对你们自己的判断不利,具体的原理可以参考ROB的话,小提示,我不认为ROB认为的正确代表听感的喜爱,所以盲听是很不错的机会。
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发表于 2018-5-4 09:25 | 只看该作者 来自 上海
gebegebe 发表于 2018-5-4 08:47
我说了,会造成先入为主的印象,反而对你们自己的判断不利,具体的原理可以参考ROB的话,小提示,我不认 ...

楼主有一事儿请教, 原文中说的的 16FS , 256FS.....这些都是什么东西?
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-5-4 10:36 | 只看该作者 来自 山东青岛
bbearlu 发表于 2018-5-4 09:25
楼主有一事儿请教, 原文中说的的 16FS , 256FS.....这些都是什么东西?

已PM
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 楼主| 发表于 2018-5-9 16:47 | 只看该作者 来自 山东青岛
好像也没什么人在意。
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